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Linux/BSD with “Lisp personality”?

March 13, 2007

I have been kicking around a few ideas in the Lisp OS direction, and wanted to capture this one.

The problem I see with a classic Lisp OS is that the architecture is either completely new, and therefore will take a lot of work to get to near parity with Lisp-on-current-OS, possibly revealing serious deficiencies before it gets there (e.g., I believe Genera would require substantial clean-up work to port to a typical SMP system), or is roughly similar to a current OS, and therefore, what real difference does it make to write it in Lisp, except fun and NIH?

Instead, I think it makes sense to try to address any performance issues a current OS kernel causes for Lisp, and possibly to incorporate the basic “Lisp core” as a kernel personality, meaning simple Lisp executables could be lightweight. Meanwhile, you get all the driver work the usual kernel guys provide, with SMP, optimized virtual memory and file systems, robust networking stacks, etc. Some people have worked on kernel patches that help Java virtual machines give hints to the Linux virtual memory system.

Lisp guys get a set of kernel patches to make their life somewhat nicer if they own their box, with 100% Linux compatibility for all of their other needs, and in the real world, as opposed to dreams of Lisp paradise that never materialize. And if the Lisp personality is really nice, one could look at more kernel extensions (some kind of very Lispy inter-process communication, for instance).

I really just want a way for the core Lisp library and system Lisp globals to be provided by the kernel, protected against modification by the user process, except through syscalls, try to figure out a simple but nice memory map to support this, looking at linking GC to the scheduler and/or virtual memory in some way if it would help performance, possibly handling the memory protection barriers without a context switch, or providing a “shadow” GC thread for every Lisp process.

Most of the Lisp stuff would come from an implementation like SBCL (or at least compatible calling conventions and memory layout, so that the compiler work could eventually be used), perhaps with some surgery being done on the process memory map and “purification” to separate the Lisp into chunks such as

  • Basic Lisp library (car, cdr, NIL, aref, …, basically the CL package), non-volatile, shared between Kernel Lisp and user Lisp processes.
  • “Lispux” package that wraps the OS networking stacks, multithreading support, etc., non-volatile, provided to user Lisp processes. Kernel Lisp wouldn’t use these.
  • A memory space holding Lisp system globals (glimpse of the underlying OS environment; maybe some interprocess communication stuff)
  • A memory space holding Lisp-specific kernel structures; for instance, GC bookkeeping. The Kernel Lisp would presumably include the code to handle garbage collection events. The user process would not be allowed to muck with these. There would also probably be a Kernel Lisp heap unless it could be written to be totally non-consing.
  • The Kernel Lisp FASL; this is the portion of the Kernel Lisp implementation written in Lisp.
  • A memory space holding the user process’s “purified” executable image. Possibly partitioned into non-volatile portions and usual dynamic portions.
  • Usual process heap, process stack
  • Some kind of support for shared pages of tagged data, that can only be usefully shared with other Lisp-aware processes.

One of the main issues I am trying to get my head around is what Lisp tagged data looks like when the context switch is made to kernel space. In order for GC to work, the pointer values which make sense under the user process memory map must still make sense in the GC context. This makes me think that the Kernel Lisp needs to have basically the same memory layout, with the current Lisp process mapped into it at the standard location, but with different permissions, and with certain parts visible that are invisible in the user context. I believe this is quite different from Linux; from what I can tell, the Linux kernel simply sees the skeleton of the process (the kernel memory map structure, and which pages of physical memory the process has in core), but has to do special work to follow a pointer, for instance. It seems to me doing GC like this would require more overhead than it could save.
I’m wondering whether there is a better alternative to Linux; the main criteria are source hackability, acceptance in the Lisp community, acceptable driver support both current and in the future (including SMP, because that is where the future is going), and relatively good existing applications support. The only alternatives I see is are the BSD variants. I don’t know which of these makes the most sense. I’m guessing SBCL/x86/Linux folks represent the bulk of people who would be interested in something like this. It would be nice to have an explicit mechanism for different “personalities” so that launching an executable FASL would invoke this personaity, but launching a native binary would not see anything much different (except perhaps for a few new syscalls that provide hooks to some of the Lispy goodness, or maybe just an ability to inspect and debug Kernel Lisp.)

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Dell 2007FP and xorg.conf

August 7, 2006

In order to better serve those folks Googling “2007FP xorg.conf”, I’ve included an annotated xorg.conf file that seems to work well for me and my Dell 2007FP monitor. I hope it helps you. (It is, naturally, provided “as is”, without warranty of any kind, etc., etc., because it could very well damage your hardware, although nowadays monitors are much more forgiving than they once were.)

(It seems from my site logs that my venting about my adventures with Linux, xorg.conf, and the 2007FP is one of the more popular Google hits for my site now, just one day after it was posted.)

Venting about Linux

August 2, 2006

Time for a “Linux is not ready for the desktop” rant.

Some time ago, I picked up a Slackware 10.1 4-disc set. I’ve been trying to use it on a Dell Precision 610 MT workstation, Xeon Pentium III. (That’s what you can read on the label.) Through some struggling through the initial start up screens, I was able to determine the box has two SCSI internal drives. I also have a Dell 2007FP monitor (pretty nice).

Getting X to come up in something other than 1024×768 was an ordeal. Perhaps I should have realized that no amount of so-called “handholding” was going to help me, and gone to the xorg.conf man page directly. Silly me, I thought this would be like a normal desktop environment, where I would open something called something like a “control panel” and find a sub-thingy labelled “Display” (KDE buries this under Peripheral) and select the 1600×1200 resolution my display claims to support. No. Only 1024×768 or worse.

So I go to slackware.com; the FAQ is skeletally brief. It talks about xorgsetup (must run as root, not just using “su” but “su -“), which dumps a uselessly generic xorg.conf file in /etc/X11. xorgconfig asks me to answer vague questions about my mouse and keyboard EVERY time, and scroll through long lists of video cards, none of which is a close match to what the Dell startup screeen says: “Diamond Viper V770D 32MB” It asks me for refresh rates, but doesn’t allow me to specify that “at 1600×1200, this monitor only allows 60 Hz vertical refresh”. The slackware page config/x.php says something vague about “run X -probeonly” but “startx” seems only to feed its arguments to xterm, then puke when xterm does not accept it. I cycle through various efforts, copying the result to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and get a blank screen with the monitor complaining “frequency out of range: use 1600×1200@60Hz.”

A search through the the Video HOWTO for Diamond Viper 770 shows me RIVATNT2 XF86_SVGA and nv.

Finally, I break down and edit xorg.conf by hand. It takes a while but I start to realize that various identifiers (described just as “free form” by xorgconf, actually are used to refer to various entities in later descriptions. I hand edit my xorg.conf to indicate my “Monitor” can HorizSync at 30-82, only VertRefresh at 60 Hz, my “Device” has driver “nv”, and my “Screen” is that Mointor, Device, with Modes “1600×1200” “1280×1024”, etc.

Finally. It seems to work.

Next up, try to get USB flash memory key to be recognized, without following directions which tell me to use the SCSI /dev/sda files that are, ahem, being used for my SCSI hard disks.

[UPDATE: Fixed the link to the Linux Hardware-HOWTO video section.]